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<div class="quote">ItalianHeisenberg wrote:
<div class="quote">Mholclajtner wrote:
<div class="quote">The Demon In Me wrote:
<div class="quote">ThyCrimes wrote:
Lithium is in the battery in the timer of the bomb that walt is going to plant to finish off Jack's crew. Sodium is the ricin which he will use to poison Lydia. Iron is the M60 to defend his felina (his empire/Holly/Skyler). Thats your finale.</div>What about gretchen and elliot</div>Gretchen and Elliott aren't important. He reacts in "Granite State" because he heard "Blue Sky" is reaching Europe, thus he knows Jesse is still alive and witness executing Lydia is still in the game.</div>Gretchen and Elliott weren't important huh? If I remember correctly you also chastised some others for saying that G&E would even be in this episode.... guess you were wrong there. Oh and Marty Robbins had no bearing either right? WRONG again sir. <p>
</p><p>Your opinion, like many others, dont mean sh*t, BIT(H! </p> </div> <p>eh, take it easy.  not their fault per se.  i think everybody who listened to the podcast would admit that it seemed pretty unlikely that gretchen and elliot would have been in it.   </p>

<p>loved the ending; it just feels satisfying.  my only nitpicks are a.) really should have been longer, b.) they should have been a little more subtle about the ricin and c.) they should have been more subtle about the m60 mechanism.  they should have either better edited the scene where he's building it, or just lef that scene out all together.  it would have been more suprising that way.  it was still awesome though.   </p><p>i'm glad walt went out on his own terms, and he was at peace with himself.  he went back to abq neither as walter white nor heisenberg; he was was a shell of his former self.  he accomplished everything he set out to do, and even though he died, he came out on top.   </p>

<p>probably 53-54 minutes </p>

<p>yep, time to face the music </p>

<div class="quote">ATriptoBelize wrote:
I'm tired of seeing <i>Breaking Bad </i>fans defend Walter White. He is not a good man. Not in the slightest. <p>This show is about transformation and the downward spiral of a down-on-his-luck family man who ends up becoming a criminal mastermind. The show doesn't celebrate Heisenberg, nor ask the audience to root for him. He's a very complex character, a monster who still manages to be human. But that doesn't mean that people should be rooting for him or against Jesse. (Jesse isn't a good guy either, by the way, although I will admit that there are times when I feel bad for him.)  </p><p>I'm rambling at this point, but here's what I'm trying to get across: both Walter and Jesse are bad people, and the show isn't about us supporting one or hating the other. Walter White isn't the hero, and his actions have and will continue to have consequences for him. Same goes for Jesse. I'm just hoping that Vince Gilligan has crafted an ending which showcases Walt's transformation and brings the story to a fitting end. Because like I've said before: this isn't about Walt winning. Not even close. </p><p>I'm not trying to tell others how they should view the show; I'm just reiterating that this story has always been about Mr. Chips becoming Scarface. And that transformation is complete. </p> </div> <p>i understand what you mean.  but i admittedly still sympathize with walt, especially after watching the pilot multiple times.  he was treated like a doormat for so long, so i rooted for him to succeed, to get ahead.  i know he took it too far.  i know he's done very bad things.  and i know he won't have a happy ending, but i'm ok with that even though i haven't turned against him.   </p><p>you can say walt isn't a good man.  but you can't say he has no good left in him (except if he just goes on a shooting rampage and murders a bunch of innocent people in the finale, but it's unlikely). </p>

<p>"law" doesn't necessarily assume prison.  there would certainly have been an in depth investigation that would have found the cause of the crash to be donald margolis failing at his job. </p>

<div class="quote">BrightLightFright wrote:
<div class="quote">BrBa wrote: <p>yea i could undertand how a zombie apocalypse would entertain some people more than a teacher turned meth kingpin, but i can't fathom when people think the walking dead is actually a better show.  maybe breaking bad doesn't entertain them quite as much, but there's no question that it's a better made show in every single category.  but maybe i'm just being ignorant. </p> </div>I honestly couldn't make it past the third episode of the Walking Dead, a very boring show in my opinion. The fact that the Walking Dead gets better TV ratings than BB puts fear in my heart for the coming generation. </div> <p>there's probably a lot of high school kids that watch the walking dead, and that's where a lot of ratings come from.  they don't appreciate breaking bad's depth, writing, acting, etc.  they just think it's cool to be a in a survival scenario and shoot zombies in the head.  i'll admit, i watch the walking dead, but breaking bad is on a whole other level. </p>

<p>everybody says vince nailed the ending.  "it was all a dream" wouldn't be nailing anything. </p>

<div class="quote">BlowfishingItUp wrote:
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I fail to see how that really makes a difference, though. Jane died. Walt watched her die. End result, whether he was there or not is she died. Jesse already hates Walt. How does this destroy Jesse? It was still an unchangeable situation as far as Jesse is concerned. <p>It was definitely a "F*** you" but what is the effect on Jesse mean? He already hated Walt's guts. </p> </div>And to everyone else who doesn't think that him telling Jesse that he watched Jane die wasn't a big deal: Remember that Jane's death put into motion a set of circumstances that ended in the death of more than 100 people.  Essentially, watching Jane die and not do anything about it killed those 100+ people, for which Jesse has a ton of guilt about.  When he tells Jesse he let Jane die Jesse realizes he was torturing himself for all of those deaths when in reality it was Walt's fault all along.  Jesse bore that guilt uneccessarily and it really damaged his life, probably more than any other single thing.</div>jane's death--and the plane crash victims by extension--wasn't any more walt's fault than it was jane's or jesse's. <p>yes, telling jesse about jane's death was bad, but imo, killing a person (mike) out of rage is worse. </p> </div>Wasting your figurative breath. Some people refuse to accept that after this, therefore because of this is a fallacy.
Those people on those planes died because Donald returned to a highly-stressful job too early, because he was allowed to return to said job when he shouldn't have been and because of faulty warning systems. The last one is the most immediate causal link. <p>If people wanna blame Walt for it, they might as well blame Donald. Without him talking to Walt, Walt doesn't go back. Without the blackmail, Walt never leaves his house that night. And on and on and on and on. That's why it's a fallacy. </p> </div>yea, it's donald's fault.</div>Hope you're being sarcastic. My whole point was it wasn't really anyone's fault, just a random occurance.
</div> <p>as far as the law and media is concerned it was certainly (at least partly) donald's fault.  it was most directly due to his actions.  </p>

<div class="quote">Mholclajtner wrote:
<div class="quote">BrBa wrote:
as far as the walter givin himself the ricin, there is only one scenario where i can see this as possible, and that is if he knows he is going to be taken by the authorities.   <p>i don't know why or how this would be the case, but if walt teamed up the cops--maybe a mutual understanding like walt shows them where hank's and gomez's bodies are and in return they help walt get the guys that killed them.  after walt and the authorities both get what they want, walt takes the ricin, the cops put him in custody, and then walt dies shortly after. </p><p>not saying this will happen, but yea </p> </div>I agree with you. He will drink it only if he know cops will get him. But Walt must take ricin days before, because it will not work "shorly after" but days after.</div> <p>he didn't seem too worried about carol seeing him.  maybe he doesn't need to be worried?  i'm curious to see how that plays out. </p>

<div class="quote">RicinCigarette wrote:
When will there ever be a better hour of TV this decade? I will never enjoy watching my TV more than I will tomorrow between 9:00 and 10:15. And we all know more aduts watch Breaking Bad than the Walking Dead. <p>Breaking Bad isnt the most popular show, but its the best show. Hands down. Alot of things that I do I can think of it being better, but the one thing that cannot be better than it is is the story of Breaking Bad. Thats what makes Breaking Bad so good for me. And to be able to watch the ending live, its something I can brag about to my kids when theyre old enough to watch and understand it. Its going to be a special thing to watch. </p> </div> <p>yea i could undertand how a zombie apocalypse would entertain some people more than a teacher turned meth kingpin, but i can't fathom when people think the walking dead is actually a better show.  maybe breaking bad doesn't entertain them quite as much, but there's no question that it's a better made show in every single category.  but maybe i'm just being ignorant. </p>

<p>as far as the walter givin himself the ricin, there is only one scenario where i can see this as possible, and that is if he knows he is going to be taken by the authorities.   </p><p>i don't know why or how this would be the case, but if walt teamed up the cops--maybe a mutual understanding like walt shows them where hank's and gomez's bodies are and in return they help walt get the guys that killed them.  after they both get what they want, walt takes the ricin, the cops put him in custody, and then walt dies shortly after. </p><p>probably won't happen though. </p>

<p>as far as the walter givin himself the ricin, there is only one scenario where i can see this as possible, and that is if he knows he is going to be taken by the authorities.   </p><p>i don't know why or how this would be the case, but if walt teamed up the cops--maybe a mutual understanding like walt shows them where hank's and gomez's bodies are and in return they help walt get the guys that killed them.  after they both get what they want, walt takes the ricin, the cops put him in custody, and then walt dies shortly after. </p><p>not saying this will happen, but yea </p>

<p>as far as the walter givin himself the ricin, there is only one scenario where i can see this as possible, and that is if he knows he is going to be taken by the authorities.   </p><p>i don't know why or how this would be the case, but if walt teamed up the cops--maybe a mutual understanding like walt shows them where hank's and gomez's bodies are and in return they help walt get the guys that killed them.  after walt and the authorities both get what they want, walt takes the ricin, the cops put him in custody, and then walt dies shortly after. </p><p>not saying this will happen, but yea </p>

<div class="quote">Mholclajtner wrote:
<div class="quote">GoldenMoth wrote: <p>The wild, young cowboy is Hank.  He challenged Walt's right for the love of Felina and ended up dead on the floor. </p> </div>Walt has no love for anyone except himself and his ego. Beside, Hank is far from young, not a cowboy and didn't really challeged Walt. That song is lots of ballocs mainly because it's doesn't tell us anything new and interprets old stuff in wrong way. What's important is who will survive holocause of finale of main cast. We know Walt is doomed witouth "El Paso" to tell us so. It's pretty much obvious. </div> <p>how can you say he has no love for anybody?  the writers have made it pretty clear that he loves his family. </p>

<p>i hope there's some trickery involved.  any chance to'hajiilee will come into play again?  will hank's and gomez's bodies be important at all?  it is evidence against jack and his crew, and it would be nice for the white/schrader family to get closure.   </p>

<div class="quote">BlowfishingItUp wrote:
<div class="quote">BrBa wrote:
<div class="quote">Evanwins wrote:
<div class="quote">BlowfishingItUp wrote:
I fail to see how that really makes a difference, though. Jane died. Walt watched her die. End result, whether he was there or not is she died. Jesse already hates Walt. How does this destroy Jesse? It was still an unchangeable situation as far as Jesse is concerned. <p>It was definitely a "F*** you" but what is the effect on Jesse mean? He already hated Walt's guts. </p> </div>And to everyone else who doesn't think that him telling Jesse that he watched Jane die wasn't a big deal: Remember that Jane's death put into motion a set of circumstances that ended in the death of more than 100 people.  Essentially, watching Jane die and not do anything about it killed those 100+ people, for which Jesse has a ton of guilt about.  When he tells Jesse he let Jane die Jesse realizes he was torturing himself for all of those deaths when in reality it was Walt's fault all along.  Jesse bore that guilt uneccessarily and it really damaged his life, probably more than any other single thing.</div>jane's death--and the plane crash victims by extension--wasn't any more walt's fault than it was jane's or jesse's. <p>yes, telling jesse about jane's death was bad, but imo, killing a person (mike) out of rage is worse. </p> </div>Wasting your figurative breath. Some people refuse to accept that after this, therefore because of this is a fallacy.
<p>Those people on those planes died because Donald returned to a highly-stressful job too early, because he was allowed to return to said job when he shouldn't have been and because of faulty warning systems. The last one is the most immediate causal link. </p><p>If people wanna blame Walt for it, they might as well blame Donald. Without him talking to Walt, Walt doesn't go back. Without the blackmail, Walt never leaves his house that night. And on and on and on and on. That's why it's a fallacy. </p> </div> <p>yea, it's donald's fault. </p>

<div class="quote">Evanwins wrote:
And wasn't it kind of an accident that he shot Mike?  When you watch the scene Walt is almost surprised that his gun goes off.  And he shoots him in the side not the head which is more exposed due to him being seated in a car.  Further, isn't Mike going for the gun he thinks is in his bag at the time?  Mike was definitely considering killing Walt right there so it could be construed as self defense.  After all, Walt already knows how hard Mike can hit him.</div> <p>it was no accident.  walt raised the gun and fired.  the suprised look was walt thinking "oh my god, i can't believe i just did that."  i think mike is opening the bag just to account for everything in there, and the first thing he noticed is the empty gun holster. </p>

<div class="quote">Klit75 wrote:
<div class="quote">BrBa wrote:
each season of breaking bad--maybe except season one, due to the writers strike--starts gradual with a more intense epsiode sprinkled in here or there, but it's building towards the final three or four epsiodes.  it's like a slow, smoldering burn that forms red-hot coals at the conclusion (other shows i liken to lighting a match and watching the bright flame fizzle to nothing but smoke.  it may look flashy, but to really get the fire going you need a consistent burn).  <i>salud, crawl space, end times, </i>and<i> faceoff</i> was such a great stretch of television, and that's why i give the edge to season four.  but it's all subjective.</div>Very subjective (and very good analogy btw.) If we were to judge which had the best conclusion with the 4 episodes you just mentioned...I'd be hard pressed to say season 3 was better. I think the major difference is that Face-off had a huge payoff, while Full measures was an awesome reverse of fortune, but it left the characters in serious limbo for the better part of a year. Like I said before, it's interesting that season 4 was the first season I didn't binge watch. I had to wait week to week. And I think that's the reason I'm having a hard time coming up with a clear pick for best season ever. Off the top of my head...I'm thinking "sunset" was the one that made me realize this writers could get us out of serious trouble and do it in plausible yet ingenius ways. "One minute" really pumped up the danger element, telling us exactly how far Walt's choices could take us to dark places that suck in unintended victims. "Half measures" really let us know (unapologetically) that Walt would go to extremes to protect those closest to him--Wow! That really gave me a jolt. And "Full Measures"...well what can you say. It was great from start to finish. It took "Sunset" (which had one of my favorite scenes of all time up until that point, and displayed the fact that Walt might be the smartest guy in this BB universe and if you put his back against the wall, you're likely going to lose everytime! It was already an amazing show but i think it was season 3 that brought in the viewers. All this said...yea it is subjective. </div> <p>agreed </p>

<div class="quote">Evanwins wrote:
<div class="quote">BlowfishingItUp wrote:
I fail to see how that really makes a difference, though. Jane died. Walt watched her die. End result, whether he was there or not is she died. Jesse already hates Walt. How does this destroy Jesse? It was still an unchangeable situation as far as Jesse is concerned. <p>It was definitely a "F*** you" but what is the effect on Jesse mean? He already hated Walt's guts. </p> </div>And to everyone else who doesn't think that him telling Jesse that he watched Jane die wasn't a big deal: Remember that Jane's death put into motion a set of circumstances that ended in the death of more than 100 people.  Essentially, watching Jane die and not do anything about it killed those 100+ people, for which Jesse has a ton of guilt about.  When he tells Jesse he let Jane die Jesse realizes he was torturing himself for all of those deaths when in reality it was Walt's fault all along.  Jesse bore that guilt uneccessarily and it really damaged his life, probably more than any other single thing. </div> <p>jane's death--and the plane crash victims by extension--wasn't any more walt's fault than it was jane's or jesse's. </p><p>yes, telling jesse about jane's death was bad, but imo, killing a person (mike) out of rage is worse. </p>