Hello,

Sorry because probably the discussion had ever been put in past, but I just watched Breaking Bad for the first time, and I feel like punched in the heart... Great tv show, I cant believe I waited so long before watching it. And also sorry because english is not my language, I'll try to be understandable (thank you reverso) :)

For me the complex relation between Walt and Jess was the most interesting development, the one which got me into the serie with passion, I love their unspeakable connexion all along, while being so differents. And even if for the worse. For me Walt ned Jesse as a connexion between Heiseberg and Walt (Jesse is his former student, but connected with drugs, but absolutely not fiting the high criminal standard, he's right in the middle between Walter and Haisenberg and connect both), and Jesse desperately need for some parental figure, someone to make proud, and someone to admire.

But at the end, such a bitter taste let (that's a perfect end though), for how that relation ended, both betraying each other. But if I understand Jesse's betrayal, I just cant deal with Walt's one.. Jesse ends with the will to stop Heisenberg (he also snitched himself for Gale's death, he confess their shared crimes), there were just too many blood poured, including blood from innoncents children, from his ex partner Mike, and of course the poisoning of Broke being the non return point, so he felt as his moral duty was to stop the "devil" of Heisenberg, and that's why I at least understand why he betrays his "father figure" of sooner, plus that would not be so unfair for Walter to be caught by Justice so Jesse's decision is a betrayal but not revolting one to me, that's even understable.

While in Walt's side I just cant "forgive" and understand the thing (while I liked his character, I'd like to understand him at least) for what he did. I want to keep thinking Jesse was like family as it had been stated a lot of time, but could you let that scumbag neonazi take a family member, knowing that he'll prolly be tortured for being a "rat"? There's no justice in that, only cruelty. I don't ever bond with the justification, you can understand why someone confess a crime (on Jess side), but how to understand (for Walter side) to blame just Jesse for Hank's death rather than himself or Neonazi HE has called or Hank himself for not having properly securized this police operation (Jesse was the only one being actually in Hank's "side" in this desert, and he should be the one given the whole blame by Walt?), despite his anger Walter cant ignore that Uncle Jack, not Jesse, is the murderer of his brother in law, and that Jesse was only the easy prey for his anger (with no gun and no one to protect him), rather than the risponsible. That cant explain or justify the cold nod he gave to make Jesse shot, and even tortured when Todd explains he first want get informations he snitched out of him. Like if it's not enough, he's tormenting him with Jane's death before let him go with Neonazi, that really schoks me, how cruel. Walt's betrayal is so out of line compared to Jesse one.

After all they've been through together. After asking Jesse to kill for him (costing him a part of his soul), after already being risponsible for the loss of his true love (Jane) and almost poisoning to death his kind of step son Brok, after having pressurized him to meet Tuco while knowing the risks (ending at hospital), having borrowed his house at the beginings (so he was fired of the house later by his parents discovering the lab), having again pressurized to send his buddies to new territories resulting on the death of his friend Combo, all these times he belittled him calling him a worthless jerk etc, while he ends with almost the same quality meth, all these times he was reluctant to pay him in spite of risks Jesse take, or when he refuses to let him quit the organization... all that shit was "forgivable" only because as a viewer we feel that Walt ultimately cared about Jesse like a son, and saved his life a cuple of times, so Walter wasnt a total cold monster because he was able to take risks for someone else than himself sometimes.

But with this finale, I just don't know what to think anymore, if Walt's characher is just the most despicable one after all, or if he really had seen Jesse a part of his "Heisenberg" family, it really makes me sad to see Walter being that ugly to Jesse. Also he didnt seem give a shit about Jesse's assumed death when in his New Hampshire retreat, he felt regreat for his family only. And even wanted to kill Jesse again after several month to take distance from what caused that situation to happen (the snitching and Hank's death), as soon as as he heard abut "his" blue meth he wants jess dead again... I just can't understand that he's so indifferent to Jesse fate at the end. Of course, ultimately, once he sees what Jesse has been through and only then (while even still ignoring how Andrea was being shot in front of him) he "saved" him, or rather "spare" him more than save him (from his own bullets device, he just cancel the shooting on him), I know he took a bullet for that (but that's what he had planed anyway, according too Vince Giligan, he intended to kill everyone including Jesse and himself). As he takes his revenge against Neonazi, that make Jesse free as a side effect, that's all. But after so much suffering, and being mentally and physically broken, with no one and nothing left, and police being after him, I'd have like to know if at least Walt did realise how far he went to Jesse, and if he had regrets about that, I'm not even sure of that and that makes that end bitter to me. What do you think?

I always hoped to see that the child at the crack heads home (Spooge) made it into a safe home. Such a sweet kid. It’s sad knowing that isn’t that far fetched either, poor kids like that are all over this country because of deadbeat parents.

So, in S3E6 we know the year is 2001. Howard presents Chuck with a “35 year-old” Macallan. The date stamp on the box the bottle was packaged in is 1966. For what it’s worth, time doesn’t appear too linear in the Saul/BB universe..

All Heisenberg wanted was his drug empire and more money than he could spend whereas Walter just wanted to make money for his family. This is important because by the end Walter doesn’t lie to people, he tells them how it is. For example he tells Skyler how he believes he will end up and he doesn’t try to justify his actions like Heisenberg as he admits he was in it for himself. And by the end the drug empire Heisenberg had created was gone and the money he made was mostly gone therefore he lost whereas Walter had been able to get enough money to his family -which was plenty enough- and he died with a smile on his face surrounded by a similar amateur lab akin to the RV lab as Walter White therefore he won.